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Balky · Oct 29, 2010, 07:34 AM // 07:34

Just an idea i had, but maybe worth Ncsoft implementing it with a view to stamping out the bots n leeches in PVP

Basically requires some of us the players being selected by them to mod pvp arenas, can`t actually drop in to games, but observe them as they take place.

Any leeching or botting that gets seen , the mod then has the ability to remove that players faction gain for the day, maybe remove from the arena as well.

Mod position would be entirely voluntary and non paying so not costing ncsoft anything, and would require players to do maybe 1 - 10 modding a week. With enough players doing it time spent modding would go down and would barely impact on playing time for those selected.

Thoughts ?

Elnino · Oct 29, 2010, 07:45 AM // 07:45

Biggest hurdle would be finding people who actually want to do it - for no pay.

Also, Anet will have to develop the features required for modding i.e. not gonna happen.

Balky · Oct 29, 2010, 08:05 AM // 08:05

I`d happily give up several hours a week to do the job, i feel like i`m sort of doing it anyway, looking at the length of the support ticket i have going at the moment regarding leeches in JQ

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Maybe in return for doing it, instead of payment you could get special limited items for use ingame after you`ve committed x amount of time ?

In game modding is nothing new , and i`m sure there must be some sort of industry standard software for game devs that could be adapted for use by ANET to cut down on the development costs as such.

RedDog91 · Oct 29, 2010, 03:00 PM // 15:00

You seem to not realize that anyone willing to do it for free will most likely abuse the power.

Errant Venture · Oct 29, 2010, 03:49 PM // 15:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedDog91

You seem to not realize that anyone willing to do it for free will most likely abuse the power.

This. Why did you make this thread in two different forums? It's a bad idea with almost no merit to it. =\

Tearz1993 · Oct 29, 2010, 10:35 PM // 22:35

Abuse of power, as reddog said.

Balky · Oct 31, 2010, 09:40 PM // 21:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedDog91

You seem to not realize that anyone willing to do it for free will most likely abuse the power.

You judging the ENTIRE gaming community by your own untrustworthy standards then ? That is complete and utter tripe !

Balky · Oct 31, 2010, 09:45 PM // 21:45

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Originally Posted by Tearz1993

Abuse of power, as reddog said.

The treacherous are ever distrustful , i mean of course, there`d be absolutely no way that the actions of the Arena Mods would be monitored would there, like automatically saving any game they act in on the server for review ......nah lets just assume anyone who wants to help the PVP community is corrupt and unstrustworthy.

Idiots !

End · Oct 31, 2010, 09:47 PM // 21:47

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Balky · Oct 31, 2010, 10:52 PM // 22:52

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Originally Posted by End

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/qu...rin102864.html

Wow you managed to link that all by yourself

Thanks for the non input and for showing you can`t read.

End · Nov 01, 2010, 12:06 AM // 00:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Balky

Wow you managed to link that all by yourself

Thanks for the non input and for showing you can`t read.

Thanks for the QQ because someone disagreed with you

I mean seriously you have yet to show that this power won't be abused simply because it's impossible to make unabusable power.

Balky · Nov 01, 2010, 02:10 AM // 02:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by End

Thanks for the QQ because someone disagreed with you

I mean seriously you have yet to show that this power won't be abused simply because it's impossible to make unabusable power.

" i mean of course, there`d be absolutely no way that the actions of the Arena Mods would be monitored would there, like automatically saving any game they act in on the server for review ..." thats called oversight , meaning any action taken by a mod could and would be reviewed

You on the other hand just seem to automatically assume that any mod is going to automatically abuse his/her position , no doubt judging people by your own moral standards. Its a hell of a lot easier to just crap on an idea and post negative unsubstantiated opinions than it is try suggest something to fix a problem, do you actually play any pvp i wonder ?

End · Nov 01, 2010, 02:14 AM // 02:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Balky

" i mean of course, there`d be absolutely no way that the actions of the Arena Mods would be monitored would there, like automatically saving any game they act in on the server for review ..." thats called oversight , meaning any action taken by a mod could and would be reviewed

Won't make anything unabuseable. Still greif potential just limited Grief potential. If anet says hey whats going on you seem to be interefering with this person when we couldnt see them doing anything wrong. You can simply say oh the way he casted that looked bot like. And they'll be like Kay it was just a mistake. So long as you don't do it to more then 1 or 2 people in a day, you can remove the faction that they get or your other idea was to ban them from an arena. So next time someone calls you a noob you can just take action against them next time their favorite arena comes up as the zquest.

So long as you don't make it obvious abuse. Your "moderator review" does nothing as it's reactive.

Quote:

You on the other hand just seem to automatically assume that any mod is going to automatically abuse his/her position , no doubt judging people by your own moral standards. Its a hell of a lot easier to just crap on an idea and post negative unsubstantiated opinions than it is try suggest something to fix a problem, do you actually play any pvp i wonder ?

You are naive if you think people are good inatly good. You have no clue about my moral standards. I can tell from your posts in here calling people idiots because they disagree you have very emotional reactions and would be one of the last people I would want with this power.

On a side note most of my PvP is a few hours of RA every day maybe JQ if it's the zquest.

Errant Venture · Nov 01, 2010, 02:28 AM // 02:28

@ balky, you realize that just about every single post in both of the threads you posted has concluded that this is a terrible idea that has the dual qualities of being unfeasible and introducing more opportunities for griefing. Google dunning-kruger, I think we might have a case of it.

Cool Name · Nov 01, 2010, 02:28 AM // 02:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Balky

" i mean of course, there`d be absolutely no way that the actions of the Arena Mods would be monitored would there, like automatically saving any game they act in on the server for review ..." thats called oversight , meaning any action taken by a mod could and would be reviewed

You on the other hand just seem to automatically assume that any mod is going to automatically abuse his/her position , no doubt judging people by your own moral standards. Its a hell of a lot easier to just crap on an idea and post negative unsubstantiated opinions than it is try suggest something to fix a problem, do you actually play any pvp i wonder ?

What is being suggested is tantamount to hypocrisy. Let's take a look at this situation:

Problem:
There are corrupt players who like to abuse the way the game works. These people are untrustworthy.

Solution:
Give corrupt, untrustworthy players the opportunity to volunteer for a role of power which they can just as (if not more) easily abuse

The problem is you can't get the people who are causing the problem to fix the problem.. because that won't work!

And also you said to save any game where someone is "modding" so it can be looked over later. But then staff would need to look at these complaints as well as the usual complaints from games that weren't overseen by someone in this new role (you wouldn't be able to oversee every game, the majority would still be unmoderated, I'd imagine).

Finally: Elitism. In my opinion, anyway of raising some people above others is bad. People would end up arguing over who has done the most matches, and you'd need to have banned x people before you can GvG. OK obviously not to that extent but my point stands.

Also whether or not someone plays pvp is irrelevant.

Balky · Nov 01, 2010, 03:06 AM // 03:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pthoms T

What is being suggested is tantamount to hypocrisy. Let's take a look at this situation:

Problem:
There are corrupt players who like to abuse the way the game works. These people are untrustworthy.

Solution:
Give corrupt, untrustworthy players the opportunity to volunteer for a role of power which they can just as (if not more) easily abuse

The problem is you can't get the people who are causing the problem to fix the problem.. because that won't work!

And also you said to save any game where someone is "modding" so it can be looked over later. But then staff would need to look at these complaints as well as the usual complaints from games that weren't overseen by someone in this new role (you wouldn't be able to oversee every game, the majority would still be unmoderated, I'd imagine).

Finally: Elitism. In my opinion, anyway of raising some people above others is bad. People would end up arguing over who has done the most matches, and you'd need to have banned x people before you can GvG. OK obviously not to that extent but my point stands.

Also whether or not someone plays pvp is irrelevant.

Anet would decide who the mods are drawn from the list of applicants

Your suggestion that anyone who would want to be a mod is by default going to be untrustworthy is complete and utter bollocks !

The possibility of being in a game thats being observed by a mod will be enough to deter some from leeching which can only be a bonus as far as the majority of decent honest players are concerned, ingame mods are nothing new, EA were using them back in Red Alert 2 days decades ago !

Oh and not every post has said its a bad idea!

Like i said, instead of just crapping on an idea...why not try adding to / improving on it ? or is that too much hard work ? Because lets face it the current system is next to no deterrence what so ever !

Players repeatedly leeching in Jade Quarry

Discussion Thread
Response (GM Lemoncobra) 10/29/2010 04:27 PM
Hello,

We appreciate your report. We will investigate the parties involved and take action accordingly.

Please contact us if you have any further questions.

Regards,
GM Lemoncobra
The Guild Wars Support Team

Customer 10/29/2010 08:34 AM
Player leeching screens 68 + 69

JQ Game launched approx 14 25 GMT

Customer 10/29/2010 06:14 AM
See attached screenshots 64 - 67 ) , 5 players leeching on the kurzick side in 1 game

screen 64 shows reports by kurzick players

game launched approx 12 05 gmt

Customer 10/28/2010 11:40 PM
Player Il Master Kuung Il leeching i n JQ , game launched approx 5:20 am gmt

screens attached jpegs 61 - 63

Customer 10/28/2010 07:45 PM
2 further players leeching, game launched approx 1 33am gmt

screenshots 59+60

Customer 10/28/2010 04:28 AM
See attached screenshots ( 57+58 ) of 3 players leeching in JQ, game launched approx 10:07 am GMT

Customer 10/28/2010 02:51 AM
Die Gulaschsuppe, reported several times previously, here he/she/is again

game launched approx 8 33 am gmt AD1
screenshot 56

The normal suspects are;

Die Gulaschsuppe
Der Monk of Heal
Die Feiine Dame
Waschpulver O o
Nan El Nay
Eva Evo Zyph

Above all appear to log in from 7am GMT , which would suggest central european timezone, hell they`re probably all bots !!!

Exactly how many more reports/screenshots is it going to take ?

Customer 10/28/2010 02:16 AM
I see despite the multitude of screenshots i`ve submitted, several of the same old leeches/bots are again in JQ on the luxon side.

I have a further one for the collection , screen shot 55

JQ AD1 , game launched approx 8am GMT 28/10/10

Response (GM Ara) 10/21/2010 08:59 AM
Hello,

Thanks again for reporting these players. We will review the logs and take the appropriate action.

Regards,
GM Ara
The Guild Wars Support Team

Customer 10/20/2010 07:26 PM
Player anna/voodoo/chronic blackblade

See screens attached, confessed to joining games and just walking away, IE LEECHING

screens no 40-42

Customer ) 10/20/2010 07:09 PM
Further player leechng, game launched approx 00 45 am gmt 21/10/10

screenshot 39

Customer 10/19/2010 06:35 PM
2 further players leeching, screenshot 38, player called yuyin started playing upon being reported

Customer 10/19/2010 02:16 PM
Please see attached screenshots (35, 36 & 37 ) , further players leeching

Response (GM Lemoncobra) 10/18/2010 01:09 PM
Hello,

Thanks for the report. We'll investigate the game logs for further information.

Regards,
GM Lemoncobra
The Guild Wars Support Team

Customer 10/18/2010 02:41 AM
See attached screen 33, new player leeching in jq , game launched approx 8 30am gmt

Customer 10/18/2010 02:26 AM
Screenshot 32, game launched approx 8 15am gmt 18/10/10

previously reported player leeching

Customer 10/18/2010 02:07 AM
Screenshot 31 , player leeching, previously reported god knows how many times , game launched approx 7 50 am gmt 18/10/10 AD1

Would really appreciate it if you would actually ban these scum sometime soon, its the same 10 players time and time again.

If any of you actually play perhaps you should drop in to JQ sometime and see for yourselves, i mean it can`t be that hard to work out what they`re doing !!!!

Getting bloody frustrated !

Customer 10/18/2010 01:17 AM
See attached screenshots 29 & 30, both players previously reported , all these are on the AD1 server

Customer 10/18/2010 12:34 AM
Please see additional screenshots 28 & 29

Customer 10/17/2010 10:32 PM
Please see attached screenshot, 2 players leeching, game launcheed approx 4 20 AM GMT 18/10/10

Customer 10/17/2010 08:59 PM
Please see attached screenshot ( 26 ) , player leeching in JQ

game launched approc 2 46am gmt 18/10/10

Customer 10/17/2010 06:36 PM
Attached screenshot no 23 of player leeching in Jade Quarry , approx 11 50 gmt

Could not report ingame as for some reason i was recieving ' player is not in same district as you ' error message

Response (GM FruitSnake) 10/15/2010 11:34 AM
Hello,

Thank you for those. We will look into those as well and take action accordingly.

Regards,
GM FruitSnake
The Guild Wars Support Team

Customer ) 10/14/2010 09:19 PM
Further players leeching in Jade Quarry screenshots 15,16,17 attacched

Response (GM FruitSnake) 10/14/2010 02:40 PM
Hello,

We appreciate your report of the leeching situation in Guild Wars. We will investigate the parties involved and take action accordingly.

Please contact us if you have any further questions.

Regards,
GM FruitSnake
The Guild Wars Support Team

Customer 10/14/2010 06:18 AM
Another player leeching, screenshot 14 attached, game finished approx 12 15 pm gmt

Customer 10/14/2010 05:27 AM
Player leeching, screenshot 12
game approx finished 11 24 am gmt

Customer 10/14/2010 04:56 AM
Yet another player leeching screenshot 11

Customer 10/14/2010 04:11 AM
2 further players leeching this morning

Customer 10/14/2010 02:47 AM
Screenshots from game which launched approx 8 10 am GMT today

Two of same players leeching again

Response (Phillip) 10/13/2010 01:59 AM
Hello S

Thank you for reporting a potential rules violation.

We will use the information you have provided to investigate whether a violation of the rules has occurred. Please let us know if you have any additional problems or questions.

Regards,
GM Phillip
The Guild Wars Support Team

Customer 10/12/2010 05:34 AM
Same players again leeching, have taken more screenshots this morning, from approximately 8:30 am GMT to 11:30 am GMT.

It would be good to recieve a response to this other than an auto generated one.

Customer 10/11/2010 05:43 AM
Please find attached additional screenshots, taken an hr after 1st set
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10/11/2010 04:43 AM
Please find attached screenshots of several players repeatedly
leeching faction in JQ between 09:00 and 10:25 am ( GMT ) 11/10/2010

Several seem to belong to the same alliance, possibly even the same
player on various accounts

Regards

IGN Balkarra Dmort

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NCsoft Account
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Operating System
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*lemming* · Nov 01, 2010, 03:18 AM // 03:18

What the hell was I thinking?

You have one thread open in Sardelac; keep it in there.